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Old 27-09-16, 17:18   #5701
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^ Agree with you! Plus... I don't really believe it when they say they're going to reuse the TR1 map and add details with Maya... Cause don't tell me this:



is the same as this:



But everything else look so good
If you look at the trailer, there is a shot of Sanctuary of the Scion. The environment has been rounded and completely changed from the massive cave in TR1, but the footage is from an earlier point in development so you can still see the TR1 sphinx.

In the more recent screenshots of the same area, they changed that sphinx completely. Their idea was not just to 'add detail' but to do things with the maps that were not possible in the original game's engine, such as truly rounded geometry. They started with exporting the TR1 maps into Maya, and this was established before these documents came out.
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Old 27-09-16, 17:46   #5702
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I think you don't get what I mean ^^

The said that they kept the original level editor map to add more details, to me it looks like the totally rebuilt it but indeed, it looks goregous!
They used it as the base for the TRAE levels which is exactly what they stated in the document. Also, like ggctuk pointed out, the document was written before development started and it was meant to be given to Eidos to pitch their idea for a TR I remake.
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Old 27-09-16, 20:14   #5703
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I think you don't get what I mean ^^

The said that they kept the original level editor map to add more details, to me it looks like the totally rebuilt it but indeed, it looks goregous!
They didn't say they'd keep it the same, only that they'd export it into Maya to use as a base for the remade levels which is what they did. They used the original map meshes as a base, they just deviated quite a bit from them in some areas.
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Old 27-09-16, 20:24   #5704
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13. Difficulty and Tutorials

The game needs to be easier in general (for modern, particularly US tastes) and we will need to extend the tutorials to cover any new moves. As well as making the game more forgiving (by using things such as last-chance grab), we can add context-sensitive control help in early levels in the same manner as Free Running (either giving the player help in particular points on the map, or supplying feedback when they do something wrong).
Oh lord...

Why is the future not bright, but dumbed down...

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Old 27-09-16, 21:35   #5705
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Oh lord...

Why is the future not bright, but dumbed down...

Because there is a lack of value for the systems as important characteristics of the game.

Remove the concept of enjoyable versus un-enjoyable, and would Tomb Raider Anniversary Edition by Core Design have been a Tomb Raider video game experience on a systems interactive level?

My answer: No.
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Old 27-09-16, 21:45   #5706
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^It's not just games though, it feels like everywhere it getting dumber.

For eg, I watched a BBC documentary recently (previously a maker of very serious and straight documentaries) and there it was... all fast edits and low content drivel instead of serious, contemplative discussion. Gimmick >>> content.

However, to answer your question, it seems TRAE may have been a bit disappointing in places... if this document is to be believed.
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Old 27-09-16, 22:51   #5707
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^It's not just games though, it feels like everywhere it getting dumber.

For eg, I watched a BBC documentary recently (previously a maker of very serious and straight documentaries) and there it was... all fast edits and low content drivel instead of serious, contemplative discussion. Gimmick >>> content.

However, to answer your question, it seems TRAE may have been a bit disappointing in places... if this document is to be believed.
To be fair, it seems like the documents are from quite early on in development and quite a few things changed later on. But yeah, it's possible that it wouldn't have been quite what classic fans like us are looking for, though even then I'd think it would've still been much closer to being a Tomb Raider game than LAU were.
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Oh lord...

Why is the future not bright, but dumbed down...

You highlighted the answer yourself: Because of a broader audience. Game developers can't only please the old-school hardcore fans like us. They have to cater to a wider audience in order to make profit. I'm pretty sure that the TRAE still would've been fun nonetheless, but naturally not as complicated as the PS1 games.

I'm glad that this document has been released and that now we've evidence that even Core would've made TR games after AoD easier. I don't think that they would've dumbed them down as much as Crystal did with Legend (and its sequels), but they still would've made them easier in order to sell more games.
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You highlighted the answer yourself: Because of a broader audience. Game developers can't only please the old-school hardcore fans like us. They have to cater to a wider audience in order to make profit. I'm pretty sure that the TRAE still would've been fun nonetheless, but naturally not as complicated as the PS1 games.

I'm glad that this document has been released and that now we've evidence that even Core would've made TR games after AoD easier. I don't think that they would've dumbed them down as much as Crystal did with Legend (and its sequels), but they still would've made them easier in order to sell more games.
It seems so. I think I would have enjoyed TRAE a lot more than TRA, but still, TR was doomed, and probably would have become the same as it is now. Maybe a lot better regarding the art and Lara personality, but not very different regarding gameplay.

Kinda sad, if you think about it. Still we are just judging an early document. Maybe the "forgiving traps" part could have been in "Easy Mode" and would have a "Hardcore Mode" without the helps.
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You highlighted the answer yourself: Because of a broader audience. Game developers can't only please the old-school hardcore fans like us. They have to cater to a wider audience in order to make profit. I'm pretty sure that the TRAE still would've been fun nonetheless, but naturally not as complicated as the PS1 games.
Yes but to me that's only a level 1 answer. My (rhetorical) question was more concerned about why things seem to be getting dumber and dumber generally...ie, is the world getting dumber... And if so, what is the cause. I also have concerns about feedback loops... the dumber the stuff you feed people, the less stretched they have to be, the dumber they want it, the less stretched... and so on.

Which leads to me to wondering if in fact elitism in the arts, etc, albeit exclusionary and pompous, has a role in dragging the population forward in terms of creativity, innovation and what-have-you. That's what I always liked about the BBC in the UK - it isn't reliant on advertising revenue as funding and so can divorce itself from "mass popularity". And because of that, doesn't always create content for the lowest common denominator, as such, just because it generates a wider audience. But this is not appropriate for discussion here. Although that sentence I highlighted in the Core proposal made me muse on these things inwardly. :/

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I'm glad that this document has been released and that now we've evidence that even Core would've made TR games after AoD easier. I don't think that they would've dumbed them down as much as Crystal did with Legend (and its sequels), but they still would've made them easier in order to sell more games.
I think you could see it a bit with AoD too - I felt that game isn't anywhere like the difficulty / complexity of TR3 - although the Hall of Seasons bits (and others) had their moments.
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