Speedrun or NLNMAS?

TwilightQueen · 07-11-20, 21:45

There's a question in the back of my mind lately about all classic TR games, not just TR1.

Which category of run do you think is more impressive to complete, Speedrun or NLNMAS?

I've always considered that the latter was a more impressive feat and pretty much the pinnacle of excellency, but I've got doubts now since it looks like the former is favored among top TR players considering this is where most of the advanced techniques come from.

Any thoughts?

**ANoDE** · 07-11-20, 22:34

I think it depends.

Both of them can be achieved with enough of practise and training. Although I think, Speedruns are the greater challenge, as there's always a goal to beat. Once you memorized the levels, NLNMAS runs probably aren't that hard anymore - they are actually more forgiving than speedruns, because you can still take your time to align jumps correctly in order to prevent sudden death.

In a speedrun, every (milli-)second counts - and although you can re-load once you screwed up, you probably will have to re-do the whole thing anyway, as the time you lost is nearly impossible to get back. Everything needs to be executed flawlessly and fast.

I'm not saying that NLNMAS runs are easy - I haven't completed a single one of those - because the NL part would drive me crazy - but in direct comparison, I feel speedruns are more challenging overall.

_TombExplorer_ · 08-11-20, 20:04

They are not Mutually Exclusive. I think that the hardest would be Speedrun NLNMAS. That is what I actually do and I have a lot of fun doing it, even if that gives you less time to think and safe strats are not an option, increasing the number of deaths and resets. It really pushes you to the limit in my opinion, it gives me thrills and fun.
I am really happy that they added the classics NLNMAS as a Speedrun category on the Speedrun site.

TL;DR: I would really say that the final challenge would be to try to do a NLNMAS as fast as possible, which I consider to be one of the best thing you can do in TR

**klona** · 09-11-20, 11:29

With some practice, anybody can do a NLNMAS run.
Speedrunning is not a thing anyone can just decide to pick up because IMO you have to be naturally gifted at doing them (persistence, muscle memory).

NLNMAS can be done leisurely.

Kubsy · 10-11-20, 13:33

NLNMAS is the one that impresses me more because speedruns are becoming more boring in my opinion

**ANoDE** · 10-11-20, 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by _TombExplorer_

TL;DR: I would really say that the final challenge would be to try to do a NLNMAS as fast as possible, which I consider to be one of the best thing you can do in TR

I agree.
The combination of both disciplines sounds like the ultimate challenge.

Guillaume coco · 11-11-20, 16:28

you can make a speed run NLNMAS !

it's not a opposition

the question is glitchless ou glitched ?

_TombExplorer_ · 12-11-20, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guillaume coco

you can make a speed run NLNMAS !

it's not a opposition

the question is glitchless ou glitched ?

NLNMAS is always glitchless

07-11-20, 21:45	#1
TwilightQueen Hobbyist Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 30	Speedrun or NLNMAS? There's a question in the back of my mind lately about all classic TR games, not just TR1. Which category of run do you think is more impressive to complete, Speedrun or NLNMAS? I've always considered that the latter was a more impressive feat and pretty much the pinnacle of excellency, but I've got doubts now since it looks like the former is favored among top TR players considering this is where most of the advanced techniques come from. Any thoughts?

07-11-20, 22:34	#2
ANoDE Golden Join Date: May 2005 Location: Austria Posts: 5,769	I think it depends. Both of them can be achieved with enough of practise and training. Although I think, Speedruns are the greater challenge, as there's always a goal to beat. Once you memorized the levels, NLNMAS runs probably aren't that hard anymore - they are actually more forgiving than speedruns, because you can still take your time to align jumps correctly in order to prevent sudden death. In a speedrun, every (milli-)second counts - and although you can re-load once you screwed up, you probably will have to re-do the whole thing anyway, as the time you lost is nearly impossible to get back. Everything needs to be executed flawlessly and fast. I'm not saying that NLNMAS runs are easy - I haven't completed a single one of those - because the NL part would drive me crazy - but in direct comparison, I feel speedruns are more challenging overall. __________________ 🎶 ~ Help me leave behind some reasons to be missed ~ 🎶

09-11-20, 11:29	#4
klona Golden Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,352	With some practice, anybody can do a NLNMAS run. Speedrunning is not a thing anyone can just decide to pick up because IMO you have to be naturally gifted at doing them (persistence, muscle memory). NLNMAS can be done leisurely. __________________ Team GOLD: Give Our Lara Duals

10-11-20, 13:33	#5
Kubsy Historian Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Polska Posts: 320	NLNMAS is the one that impresses me more because speedruns are becoming more boring in my opinion __________________ Chronicles Lara: "Whatever"

11-11-20, 16:28	#7
Guillaume coco Student Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: France est Posts: 205	you can make a speed run NLNMAS ! it's not a opposition the question is glitchless ou glitched ? __________________ bugs are like pokemons for me.

08-11-20, 20:04	#3
_TombExplorer_ Student Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Italy Posts: 149	They are not Mutually Exclusive. I think that the hardest would be Speedrun NLNMAS. That is what I actually do and I have a lot of fun doing it, even if that gives you less time to think and safe strats are not an option, increasing the number of deaths and resets. It really pushes you to the limit in my opinion, it gives me thrills and fun. I am really happy that they added the classics NLNMAS as a Speedrun category on the Speedrun site. TL;DR: I would really say that the final challenge would be to try to do a NLNMAS as fast as possible, which I consider to be one of the best thing you can do in TR