Any news on any patches ?

[Salvatore_crof]

Originally Posted by SwiftieLuma

Okay then why are you saying all this to a person who has put effort and respect into collecting data so it was easier to sent so issues could get adressed?

Doesnt make sense. Isnt it better to address the specific people you have seen talking bad about the games and the developers?

I understand your point but all this energy is being directed at the wrong person.

Sorry, what? I was just clarifying my point of view to Tremolo.

[Tremolo]

Originally Posted by Salvatore_crof

I am not exaggerating, and I wasn’t referring to that user, of whom I wasn’t even aware — seriously, what’s the problem with these people?! Anyway, I was referring to those labelling the devs as “unprofessional” and the like just because things didn’t go as expected, or complaining that “my suggestions were not considered,” and so on. This is so disrespectful and pretentious. We don’t know anything about their work, their schedules, and how hard it is to try to satisfy everyone while making good products. There have been people complaining for months just because it took time for a patch to be released (and the games weren’t even broken!), claiming “I paid for it,” as if the devs should be forced to work for us in a dark basement. I am the first one who would love to see the Remastered being completely polished, but let’s be realistic and especially respectful to the devs who are doing their best to let us enjoy the Classic TRs once again.

I said unprofessional when you have ZERO communication with the users that bought your product. And I'm not talking about a chat, because that would probably drive the developers crazy. But to official statements.

And what difficulty could there be in putting a rocky texture at one side of the waterfalls that allows the fog in the background to be hidden? They did that with the Lost Valley waterfall and it turned out well. You can do that in... 10 minutes maybe? And it was reported MONTHS AGO several times. I'm not asking for level selection, which I understand was probably never in their plans and requires very complex programming in this case.

[Salvatore_crof]

Originally Posted by Tremolo

I said unprofessional when you have ZERO communication with the users that bought your product. And I'm not talking about a chat, because that would probably drive the developers crazy. But to official statements.

And what difficulty could there be in putting a rocky texture at one side of the waterfalls that allows the fog in the background to be hidden? They did that with the Lost Valley waterfall and it turned out well. You can do that in... 10 minutes maybe? And it was reported MONTHS AGO several times. I'm not asking for level selection, which I understand was probably never in their plans and requires very complex programming in this case.

First, let me clarify that when I mentioned users labelling the devs as "unprofessional," I wasn’t referring to you. That said — Tremolo, while I get your point, the devs aren’t obligated to communicate what’s going on. I, too, would have appreciated even small updates over the past months, but again, they’re not required to do so, and going silent doesn’t mean they don’t care. And as I said, we know nothing about their schedule. Fixing that issue might only take 10 minutes as you claim, but they may have had other priorities, or it could have simply been overlooked, or there could be other reasons altogether. C'mon...

[Mr Od]

Originally Posted by Salvatore_crof

First, let me clarify that when I mentioned users labelling the devs as "unprofessional," I wasn’t referring to you. ...

You were referring to me indeed, targeting me again after three days, taking a word out of a joking comment of mine which was a reply to another joking comment (which was even harsher than mine).

It seems that harassing me in every possible thread, after every comment I post, has been your mission in this forum since May (since the translation controversy with Raq began).

Just read again the following comment of yours, in which you once again twisted the arguments and missed the point of what I was saying, for the sole purpose of denigrating me:

Originally Posted by Salvatore_crof

I'm pretty sure the development team is already made up of people with different skills, from 3D to animation, etc. They do not need what you suggest

Enough is enough.

[Salvatore_crof]

Originally Posted by Mr Od

You were referring to me indeed, targeting me again after three days, taking a word out of a joking comment of mine which was a reply to another joking comment (which was even harsher than mine).

It seems that harassing me in every possible thread, after every comment I post, has been your mission in this forum since May (since the translation controversy with Raq began).

Just read again the following comment of yours, in which you once again twisted the arguments and missed the point of what I was saying, for the sole purpose of denigrating me:


Enough is enough.

Honey, I'm sorry to disappoint your ego, but I was speaking in more general terms

[Mr Od]

Originally Posted by JigenD

I am a member of multiple gaming communities, ranging pretty much all genres, and TRForums is one of the very few where this profoundly emotional attitude of feeling "malaise" at other people suggesting "better things" happens. The reasons as to why, are still beyond me. Now people even speak of feeling "mentally exhausted" at the discussion (when a forum is meant to, well, discuss?) and mention worsening mental health...? What? The stuff that happens on this forum ("drama" according to some) is super lighthearted, non-serious, in good cheer. Some of the people here should check forums lurked by Valve's fanbase, and see with your very own eyes how incisive and meticulous they are with both fan games and official projects (a good thing btw; everyone is invited into critiquing, contributing and expressing their insights -- the fanbase grows upwards in quality as a result. Which culminates in pro-level projects like Black Mesa)

Tangentially to the post however, I will add that I produce electronic music for a number of projects, and not even once did I ever feel "insulted" about suggestions regarding my work -- nor have most of the peers I contact with on the daily. So long as the critique you're coming across is constructive and there's no direct personal attacks, it's all good by me and by most content creators. Feel free to express what you think of this or that track, or whether the mood is nailed or not, or to compare what I did with other artists professional or not. Most of us are more than thankful for all observations, and the more in detail and multiple-paragraphs-long the better, as this is how we improve.

I think because some people are not creators or creatives, they have a hard time understanding how seriously creators and craftsmen of all types take their works, and how eager to improve and self-overcome serious creators are: The work; the art product -- this is situated way above any personalistic-ego-thing the serious creator might have. Non-creators and non-creatives may think of the creative process as a "job" and as a such, deeming a creation to be a "bad job" means an insult and an attack on the ego or something. Hence these assumptions about how suggesting ABC or XYZ might be taken as an insult by the devs behind the remasters. And it won't lol. And many of those devs came from this fandom, and if they hadn't been picked for this project, they could very well be here in the forum leaving their 2 cents -- which means that everyone's thoughtful observations are important and relevant.

I can only agree. Thank you for this very thoughtful and insightful post.

The problem with this forum, however, and I have observed it closely since I joined in January of this year, is that it is full of trolls who do nothing but clog up the threads with chatters and rants, and it is riven by a spirit of envy and competition.

[Topixtor]

I do think it mainly depends on who the "artist" or "worker" is; some may appreciate constructive (or even destructive) criticism, while others (in my experience, most of them) NEVER expect their work to be outright deemed inferior to something eles because "art is art and is not a competition", which is a sentiment I agree with, but there are exceptions of course like with everything else.

I am sure most of us here had at least a very loud laugh at the whole Concord character design incident, but how many of us could ACTUALLY make better character design in practice?

[Jiraz]

Originally Posted by Mr Od

^Some of you have trouble understanding even the basic concepts of your own mother tongues. It may happen; I can understand it.

I was clearly referring to mods that have already been made (for example the one that significantly improved the models of animals), and, why not, to those modders who want to make new ones.

Modders have already made such mods without receiving any payment, for their own personal enjoyment, so what would be the problem in proposing that they be implemented in the official games? If I were them, I would be happy if my work brought added value to the games.

Some of you seem not even to know the concept of voluntary selfless work. It is in this spirit, for example, that I compiled my translation sheets or drew those architectural projects to improve the levels or propose Lara's Home for TR5: I have no interest in being hired, credited, and receiving money for them.

The problem is that many mods are made of pre-existing edited textures and models, found on the internet for free (like my animals mod). Even if there was some work behind to adapt and retexturize the models they start from a base created by someone else. Now I don't know exactly the laws about it, but I don't think you can sell these things, officially inserting them in a game that you have to pay to play it.

For this reason they should remain free and unrelated to the product.

In 2024 if a game is moddable for PC it should also be moddable on console, these restrictions make no sense when you have a machine that allows you to use USB, SD, navigate through folders, replace files etc.

(By the way, I'm coming here to confirm that my mods seem to work well with patch 4 as well.)

[topazlink]

Originally Posted by RAIDAVER

I've also noticed something weird on Sophia's mercenary's left arm in the London cutscene. Especially when he picks up the gun again. But it seems to have been there before. It's not something that this patch has broken.

I had previously also commented that in the Nightmare in Vegas level the sounds of Winston were wrong, now he has no sound at all. No farts, no sounds of cups wobbling, nothing. Same with the wall that explodes where one of the secrets of the Kingdom level is. Now no sound.

It may be a good idea if you collect as many of these as you can find and post them in the "Feedback & Requests" threads for each game.
I've noticed with all these extra threads about the patches and such, things have gotten very fractured, with suggestions all over the place.


Tomb Raider I Remastered Feedback & Requests
Tomb Raider II Remastered Feedback & Requests
Tomb Raider III Remastered Feedback & Requests
And the general thread for improvements to the whole collection:
Tomb Raider I-III Remastered General Feedback & Requests

[Dragunova01]

So patch 5 when ?