TR I-III Remastered Feedback & Requests about Translation & Languages

[Mr Od]

TR I-III Remastered Feedback & Requests about Translation & Languages

To help the developers of the remasters, it is nice to have a thread where we may post feedback and requests for fixes or changes for the upcoming updates, specifically focusing on linguistic mistakes or inaccuracies both in the English versions and in the translations into other languages of titles of the levels, subtitles of the dialogues, words and names of items in menus and inventories, etcetera. It is known that the builds released on 14 February 2024 were not the last ones and that additional patches will be released. Please keep this thread orderly and express your feedback in a kind and respectful way.

The idea behind this thread is to ONLY post your feedback and requests about languages and translations, and not to start discussions. This way, the developers will have less difficulty reading through the thread and the latter will remain tidy. Please keep your requests and feedback and requests realistic.

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CORRECTION SHEETS:

- ITALIAN PT. 1: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...6&postcount=38
- ITALIAN PT. 2 (n.b., it contains some re-fixes [i.e. corrections of corrections] for entries already listed in pt. 1): https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...&postcount=138
- ITALIAN PT. 3: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...2&postcount=40
- FRENCH: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...&postcount=139
- SPANISH: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...&postcount=140
- ENGLISH: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...&postcount=141
- CHINESE: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...&postcount=142
- PORTUGUESE: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...&postcount=211
- JAPANESE: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...&postcount=212
- GERMAN (incomplete): https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...&postcount=208

- WEAPONS (ALL LANGUAGES): https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...8&postcount=39
-- Jonathan Ferguson's (Royal Armouries Museum UK) opinion: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...0&postcount=98
- ST. FRANCIS FOLLY (ALL LANGUAGES): https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...5&postcount=41

[georgekgr]

On Greek language the letter " ύ " disappears every time is included on any word. Even on the menu, not only in the dialogs and cutscenes.
They have to replace it with υ

Also, the "medipacks" have to be translated again for the inventory. The word they used is kinda wrong.

[HoS56]

French version is full mistakes and inconsistencies especially compared to the OG games. I made a patch that's on Nexusmods for this version. I can't go over every mistake or weird translations I found.

[malferink]

Let’s create a few more feedback threads, that is really going to be great for visibility

[Mr Od]

Originally Posted by OllerCroft92

Can anyone explain to me what St. Francis Folly means? In Spanish they have translated it as La Loca (she crazy) St. Francis and it made me laugh a lot

Originally Posted by renansimoes

In Portuguese there are also some strange translations (to me)

St. Francis Folly = Castelo de St. Francis (St. Francis Castle)
Scion = Progenitor
Highland Fling = Dança Escocesa (Scottish Dance)

By the way, what is "Highland Fling"? Google translator translates as "Aventura nas Terras Altas" (Adventures on Highlands)

An architectural "folly" in English is a building made just for aesthetics but with no functionality. I don't think it is easily translatable in other languages. In the game, St. Francis' Folly is the intricate building with many rooms with traps dedicated to various gods below St. Francis' Monastery.

Regarding "Highlands Fling": "fling" is indeed translatable as "aventura", while "Highlands" are the Scottish highlands (is the general term "planalto" in Portuguese?).

Copy-pasted from: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...28324&page=727

[renansimoes]

Originally Posted by Mr Od

An architectural "folly" in English is a building made just for aesthetics but with no functionality. I don't think it is easily translatable in other languages. In the game, St. Francis' Folly is the intricate building with many rooms with traps dedicated to various gods below St. Francis' Monastery.

Regarding "Highlands Fling": "fling" is indeed translatable as "aventura", while "Highlands" are the Scottish highlands (is the general term "planalto" in Portuguese?).

Copy-pasted from: https://www.tombraiderforums.com/sho...28324&page=727

Yes, "Planalto" exists in portuguese. So, would it be like "Aventura nos Planaltos Escoceses" or only "Aventura nos Planaltos"? If that's right, I'll open another request at Aspyr Support (already did one for "Scion" translation).

Since the translated files are TXT, I read some of them and the translation is OK.

About the "folly", after your explanation, I think it's ok to call it a castle.

[Darkon]

In all honesty I'd recommend they hire actual translators instead of using online auto-translators because it really shows. Maybe they weren't given enough budget to hire translators? Either way the mistakes on all languages are embarrassing.

[Mr Od]

Originally Posted by renansimoes

Yes, "Planalto" exists in portuguese. So, would it be like "Aventura nos Planaltos Escoceses" or only "Aventura nos Planaltos"? If that's right, I'll open another request at Aspyr Support (already did one for "Scion" translation).

Since the translated files are TXT, I read some of them and the translation is OK.

About the "folly", after your explanation, I think it's ok to call it a castle.

I think "Aventura nos Planaltos Escoceses" would be the most appropriate translation.

"Folly" is indeed untranslatable in Portuguese; Portuguese Wikipedia keeps "folly": https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folly

On the other hand, Spanish translates it as "capricho": https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricho_(arquitectura)

Italian, "capriccio": https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capriccio_(architettura)

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EDIT: "Highlands" is "Terras Altas" in Portuguese: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terras..._(Esc%C3%B3cia)

[rickiflu]

I don't know why, in Italian they translated Scion with Medaglione (which means Medallion in English)

[Mr Od]

Italian:

TR1:

- Change "Atlantis" to "Atlantide". It has been strangely left untranslated in the game, both as the title of LVL_LEVEL10B and as a term in dialogues.
- "Scion" has been translated as "medaglione", which, although too generic, makes sense. "Scion" literally translates as "discendente" (descendant, offspring) or "germoglio" (bud, sprout). Using "Germoglio" (as a proper name, thus uppercase like "Scion") for the artefact would be original yet maybe strange, considering that Lara collects its first piece and thus has it in her inventory with its name even before it is mentioned at the end of the Peru section when she talks with Larson, and she did not know its name before then. However, the same consideration applied to the untranslated "Scion" in the original game. Therefore, "medaglione" is too generic yet fine, but it would probably be better to either translate it to "Germoglio" or leave it untranslated as "Scion". The latter would probably be the best choice (it would necessitate to change the name of LVL_LEVEL8C to "Santuario dello Scion" or "Santuario del Germoglio" and all its mentions in dialogues).
- LVL_LEVEL4=Capriccio di San Francesco ("St. Francis" was left untranslated, but it should be translated, both as the level's title and in the FMV, since the monastery above the ruins is clearly dedicated to Francis of Assisi)

TR2, better titles/names:

- HARPOON=Fucile subacqueo (it was translated as "arpione", but "arpione" in Italian defines its projectiles)
- HARPOONAMMO=Arpioni (it was translated as "fiocine", but "fiocina" in Italian defines a many-pronged harpoon, which is not the type found in the game)

- LVL_UNWATER=In immersione (it was translated as "In profondità", which would be perfect, but it is the same title of level 6 in TR5; unless the title of the TR5 level will be changed in a future remaster, another possible transaltion for the TR2 level could be "40 braccia in immersione", "40 braccia sott'acqua", or simply "40 braccia")
- LVL_LIVING=Alloggi
- LVL_EMPRTOMB=Tempio dello Xian ("Xian" here is a general concept meaning "Immortal")
- LVL_LEVEL4=Il regno (it has been translated as "Regno" alone, but it is too generic, and in this case it is better with the article "Il")

- PUZ_THE_SERAPH=Sigillo del Serafo (it represents a "serafo/serafino", but in the Italian dialogues it is called "Sigillo")
- PUZ_THE_DRAGON_SEAL=Sigillo del Drago (without "Il" article)
- PUZ_DOOR_CIRCUIT=Circuito della porta

- I have been unable to find the entry for the Talion item (the key to the Temple of Xian) in the text files; in case, it should be named simply "Talion".

(I am happy that the developers have already corrected themselves the gross Italian mistranslations of "40 Fathoms" and "The Deck" which plagued the original game for 17 years)

TR3, better titles/names:

- HARPOON=Fucile subacqueo
- HARPOONAMMO=Arpioni

- ICON3=Occhio di Iside (without "L'" article)
- ICON4=Pugnale Ora (uppercase "Ora")

- LVL_ROOFS=Banchina sul Tamigi
- LVL_TOWER=Porta di Lud or Ludgate ("gate" was translated as "cancello", which in italian is a grated door only; anyway, this area of London is known simply as "Ludgate" in Italian)
- LVL_SCOTLAND=Avventura sugli altopiani
- LVL_CHUNNEL=Scogliera di Shakespeare (it's on the sea, so it is more precisely a "scogliera")
- LVL_UNDERSEA=Dormire con i pesci

- PUZ_OCEANIC_MASK=Maschera oceaniana
- PUZ_THE_HAND_OF_RATHMORE=Mano di Rathmore (without "La" article)
- PUP_HAND=Mano di Rathmore (without "La" article)