Rules for XNALara - Page 11

Mytly · 20-06-12, 21:11

Rule modified in the first post:

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Originally Posted by Old version of the rule

Nude models of Lara or any other character (whether from the TR franchise or not) cannot be offered for download. That includes linking to sites which have such models for download.

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Originally Posted by New version of the rule

Models that do not comply with the XNALara rules on TRF (whether from the TR franchise or not) cannot be offered for download. That includes linking to sites which have such models for download.

KamilM_93 · 20-06-12, 21:14

Nude models?

What about bikini version?(with too much visible skin ofc)

Love2Raid · 15-07-12, 22:01

The forum rules (as stated by the staff) should be clear for everyone now. Break them, you get a warning or banned. Simple as that!

But what about the 'unwritten' XNA community rules? The ones that will, when you dare to break them, result in a lynch mob chasing your butt instead? New members can't know about those since they aren't written anywhere, yet they are shunned when they don't act 'like they should'. How are they supposed to know? You can say 'you should have read all the threads before posting' or 'do your homework', but I personally do not think this is the right way to treat each other. It's not only disrespectful, but it also looks very hostile and uninviting. I can see how people would be turned off from joining. This would, of course, be a shame. The more, the merrier, after all!

I am, of course, talking about what happened in the request thread a short while ago. Highly embarrassing in my opinion. I know how easily people point at others and see them as the 'root' of the problem. Don't make me laugh. The biggest scapegoat (name starts with an X) barely posts anymore and what exactly has changed? Right, nothing. Quite a few advanced modders have already left because they didn't feel welcome anymore.

So what should be done is (IMO):

1. @everyone:

2. We need to come up with some guidelines and write them down. Such as how we as a community feel about:

- credits
- using work by other members (for modding)
- requesting things (when is it too much?)
- re-uploading models that are no longer available
- distribution of raw data from games
- 'claiming' model w.i.p.'s (how long can you expect people to wait?)
- other things

Credits
I think that first and foremost, the original developer of the content has to be credited. If a model porter/modder explicitly mentiones that they do not wish to be credited, then don't (of course). If they require it, then write their name down as well. If they don't say anything about it, you can decide for yourself what you want. Crediting makes it easier for others (like people on deviantArt) to find the model, though.

Using work by others
Always check if there is a readme file. If the modder wrote in that readme that they don't want others to take textures/meshes/armature etc. from the model, then don't do it. If there is no readme, contact the modder about it. If you can't reach them, you can either decide to use it or not use it. If you do, at least make sure to credit that person so that they won't be butt-hurt when they return to teh interwebs and see it. Try to place yourself in their shoes, how would you want to be treated?

Requesting things
...

Re-uploading
If a model has a working link, don't create a new one. If a link no longer works, contact the person who uploaded it. Why is it down? Maybe the person doesn't even know (Mediafire tends to delete links

), you can do them a big favour by letting them know about it, so that they can re-up it themself. They might have taken it down for a reason, maybe it has an error or it needs an update. So contacting them will make this clear to you. Anyway, if the person can't be reached in any way, I would say that anyone who was lucky enough to download that model should share it with others, if people are asking for it. Let me hear your thoughts about it.

Distribution of raw data
What is our point of view as a community on this?

Claiming models
When you want to work on something, let others know about it in the w.i.p. thread, to avoid duplicates. However... how long should such a claim remain valid? Is it okay to let people wait a whole year (for example) while other people with the same know-how and all the time in the world would love to do it too and be able to finish it in less than a week? I am looking forward to see some opinions about this.

Please share your thoughts about how we can make the XNALara forum a more inviting and less hostile place for newcomers and veterans alike.

RoxasKennedy · 15-07-12, 22:13

I personally wanted rules like this to be made. Because there's only the nudity rule, and the disclaimer.
And I believe that the incident was partialy caused by the lack of rules. The person who was attacked only saw that disclaimer and the person used that in his defense.
So I believe these rules should come in handy for every newcomer.

Love2Raid · 15-07-12, 22:27

Yes, but do you agree with what I wrote there?

RoxasKennedy · 15-07-12, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Love2Raid

Yes, but do you agree with what I wrote there?

Forgot to put it there. >.<
I agree.

They aren't really affecting me in any way, so I have no objections.

BlondeSteve92 · 15-07-12, 22:31

I honestly think that what happened in the request thread could have been avoid, but both users was in the wrong. I didn't agree with the new users attitude and with the old user. It should have been handled better.

I'm not even going to talk about the "scapegoat" if they should even be called that. A few stuff that was towards me in the past was a big no no for me. Respect is earned not given from the get go, same for everyone, regardless of any role they have on this site. That's where I stand on that matter, just like in real life for me, I wouldn't expect respect given to me just because of my job or whatever.

About the new rules, yes we need this place to be alot clearer about things, but I don't think new users or maybe old users will look at them. In experience, the site get's the one new user who comes to request what they want and then never heard off again, people don't tend to look around, they stick to the recap thread and the request thread. But if we can all help make the place better then I'm all for.

I think about the W.I.P I do feel like if someone said they really want to port something, then the time they do it in doesn't matter. Like with Tali, I really wanted to port her then BAM! She's in the recap. I felt gutted, wishing that I ported her sooner. I think if people want to see the model ASAP then they should just ask about it, "oh can we get this model any time soon?" Sure, I'll put the model at the top of my to do list and try to do the model by this weekend, or something like that.

No one has the right to put claims on these models and they don't I haven't seen users do that. They aren't stupid, but I would out of respect for them, for fixing up the models etc to not re upload or anything like that.

Just have to see how things go from here.

rexil · 15-07-12, 22:39

It's missing the READ THE RULES rule.
And one for paratroopers.

fullmoon · 15-07-12, 23:59

Pretty much I agree with L2R's post,I mean who would want to continue posting in a place where they get "attacked" after their first post (I wouldn't 4sure)...though,now here comes the other part....some new users should really act like...new users you know,you can't just go someplace where no one knows you and start demanding like people own you anything (not talking about the last incident here,I actually only saw that post after the edit) but the tone really makes the music. And since you may not be familiar with everything around the place quite yet if you fell unsure with something,it won't hurt to ask first before taking action.
But then,we either can't really go like "how many times I said ...?" cause they aren't supposed to know everything we said, regardless of how many times we did...they're new here.

A "cup" of tolerance and a "spoon" of common sense should be the only "rule" for everyone,us already here and the future users. ^^

thePWA · 16-07-12, 04:27

My two cents on this for all its worth...
Credits... agree with the credits if only to track down the model via the porter if searches using the game creator /developer as parameter turns up zero.

Using work by others... agree as well with the readme just to avoid the prevalent annoying converted by/credit me mindset most users have

re-uploading... agree EXCEPT for sharing it openly. Give a PRIVATE link to the requestor out of respect for the original porter who couldn't be reached. Thats what PMs are for.

raw data... maybe... but personally I found out via experience you extract them yourself you find complete sets of everything you'll be needing (i.e. textures, meshes etc) that shared raw data frequently lack.

claiming wip... probably depends on the extraction/convertion method used. unreal engine games shouldn't take over a week to convert... while some games (capcom stuff) have tons of textures and meshes per model to consider and others are rigged from scratch. Post a wip then people should expect it in the recap at most 3 months.

20-06-12, 21:14	#102
KamilM_93 Relic Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Here Posts: 7,755	Nude models? What about bikini version?(with too much visible skin ofc) __________________ Removed. Do not advertise.

15-07-12, 22:01	#103
Love2Raid Tomb Raider Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 20,685	The forum rules (as stated by the staff) should be clear for everyone now. Break them, you get a warning or banned. Simple as that! But what about the 'unwritten' XNA community rules? The ones that will, when you dare to break them, result in a lynch mob chasing your butt instead? New members can't know about those since they aren't written anywhere, yet they are shunned when they don't act 'like they should'. How are they supposed to know? You can say 'you should have read all the threads before posting' or 'do your homework', but I personally do not think this is the right way to treat each other. It's not only disrespectful, but it also looks very hostile and uninviting. I can see how people would be turned off from joining. This would, of course, be a shame. The more, the merrier, after all! I am, of course, talking about what happened in the request thread a short while ago. Highly embarrassing in my opinion. I know how easily people point at others and see them as the 'root' of the problem. Don't make me laugh. The biggest scapegoat (name starts with an X) barely posts anymore and what exactly has changed? Right, nothing. Quite a few advanced modders have already left because they didn't feel welcome anymore. So what should be done is (IMO): 1. @everyone: 2. We need to come up with some guidelines and write them down. Such as how we as a community feel about: - credits - using work by other members (for modding) - requesting things (when is it too much?) - re-uploading models that are no longer available - distribution of raw data from games - 'claiming' model w.i.p.'s (how long can you expect people to wait?) - other things Credits I think that first and foremost, the original developer of the content has to be credited. If a model porter/modder explicitly mentiones that they do not wish to be credited, then don't (of course). If they require it, then write their name down as well. If they don't say anything about it, you can decide for yourself what you want. Crediting makes it easier for others (like people on deviantArt) to find the model, though. Using work by others Always check if there is a readme file. If the modder wrote in that readme that they don't want others to take textures/meshes/armature etc. from the model, then don't do it. If there is no readme, contact the modder about it. If you can't reach them, you can either decide to use it or not use it. If you do, at least make sure to credit that person so that they won't be butt-hurt when they return to teh interwebs and see it. Try to place yourself in their shoes, how would you want to be treated? Requesting things ... Re-uploading If a model has a working link, don't create a new one. If a link no longer works, contact the person who uploaded it. Why is it down? Maybe the person doesn't even know (Mediafire tends to delete links ), you can do them a big favour by letting them know about it, so that they can re-up it themself. They might have taken it down for a reason, maybe it has an error or it needs an update. So contacting them will make this clear to you. Anyway, if the person can't be reached in any way, I would say that anyone who was lucky enough to download that model should share it with others, if people are asking for it. Let me hear your thoughts about it. Distribution of raw data What is our point of view as a community on this? Claiming models When you want to work on something, let others know about it in the w.i.p. thread, to avoid duplicates. However... how long should such a claim remain valid? Is it okay to let people wait a whole year (for example) while other people with the same know-how and all the time in the world would love to do it too and be able to finish it in less than a week? I am looking forward to see some opinions about this. Please share your thoughts about how we can make the XNALara forum a more inviting and less hostile place for newcomers and veterans alike. __________________ It’s just an opinion, you don’t have to agree. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

15-07-12, 22:13	#104
RoxasKennedy Relic Hunter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Croatia Posts: 6,774	I personally wanted rules like this to be made. Because there's only the nudity rule, and the disclaimer. And I believe that the incident was partialy caused by the lack of rules. The person who was attacked only saw that disclaimer and the person used that in his defense. So I believe these rules should come in handy for every newcomer. __________________ This blue sky... staring at it from afar, have I seen it before?

15-07-12, 22:27	#105
Love2Raid Tomb Raider Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 20,685	Yes, but do you agree with what I wrote there? __________________ It’s just an opinion, you don’t have to agree. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

15-07-12, 22:39	#108
rexil Professor Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Bobolendo Posts: 3,759	It's missing the READ THE RULES rule. And one for paratroopers. __________________ Quick! Hide the bacon \o>

15-07-12, 22:31	#107
BlondeSteve92 Professor Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Under The Sea Posts: 4,237	I honestly think that what happened in the request thread could have been avoid, but both users was in the wrong. I didn't agree with the new users attitude and with the old user. It should have been handled better. I'm not even going to talk about the "scapegoat" if they should even be called that. A few stuff that was towards me in the past was a big no no for me. Respect is earned not given from the get go, same for everyone, regardless of any role they have on this site. That's where I stand on that matter, just like in real life for me, I wouldn't expect respect given to me just because of my job or whatever. About the new rules, yes we need this place to be alot clearer about things, but I don't think new users or maybe old users will look at them. In experience, the site get's the one new user who comes to request what they want and then never heard off again, people don't tend to look around, they stick to the recap thread and the request thread. But if we can all help make the place better then I'm all for. I think about the W.I.P I do feel like if someone said they really want to port something, then the time they do it in doesn't matter. Like with Tali, I really wanted to port her then BAM! She's in the recap. I felt gutted, wishing that I ported her sooner. I think if people want to see the model ASAP then they should just ask about it, "oh can we get this model any time soon?" Sure, I'll put the model at the top of my to do list and try to do the model by this weekend, or something like that. No one has the right to put claims on these models and they don't I haven't seen users do that. They aren't stupid, but I would out of respect for them, for fixing up the models etc to not re upload or anything like that. Just have to see how things go from here.

15-07-12, 23:59	#109
fullmoon Archaeologist Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Romania Posts: 2,466	Pretty much I agree with L2R's post,I mean who would want to continue posting in a place where they get "attacked" after their first post (I wouldn't 4sure)...though,now here comes the other part....some new users should really act like...new users you know,you can't just go someplace where no one knows you and start demanding like people own you anything (not talking about the last incident here,I actually only saw that post after the edit) but the tone really makes the music. And since you may not be familiar with everything around the place quite yet if you fell unsure with something,it won't hurt to ask first before taking action. But then,we either can't really go like "how many times I said ...?" cause they aren't supposed to know everything we said, regardless of how many times we did...they're new here. A "cup" of tolerance and a "spoon" of common sense should be the only "rule" for everyone,us already here and the future users. ^^ __________________ Nobody puts Baby in a corner Last edited by fullmoon; 16-07-12 at 00:14.

16-07-12, 04:27	#110
thePWA Historian Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 284	My two cents on this for all its worth... Credits... agree with the credits if only to track down the model via the porter if searches using the game creator /developer as parameter turns up zero. Using work by others... agree as well with the readme just to avoid the prevalent annoying converted by/credit me mindset most users have re-uploading... agree EXCEPT for sharing it openly. Give a PRIVATE link to the requestor out of respect for the original porter who couldn't be reached. Thats what PMs are for. raw data... maybe... but personally I found out via experience you extract them yourself you find complete sets of everything you'll be needing (i.e. textures, meshes etc) that shared raw data frequently lack. claiming wip... probably depends on the extraction/convertion method used. unreal engine games shouldn't take over a week to convert... while some games (capcom stuff) have tons of textures and meshes per model to consider and others are rigged from scratch. Post a wip then people should expect it in the recap at most 3 months. __________________ I don't port much but when I do I make sure it's for XNALARA. (Harhar)