Rules for XNALara

[KamilM_93]

Originally Posted by Love2Raid

The forum rules (as stated by the staff) should be clear for everyone now. Break them, you get a warning or banned. Simple as that!

But what about the 'unwritten' XNA community rules? The ones that will, when you dare to break them, result in a lynch mob chasing your butt instead? New members can't know about those since they aren't written anywhere, yet they are shunned when they don't act 'like they should'. How are they supposed to know? You can say 'you should have read all the threads before posting' or 'do your homework', but I personally do not think this is the right way to treat each other. It's not only disrespectful, but it also looks very hostile and uninviting. I can see how people would be turned off from joining. This would, of course, be a shame. The more, the merrier, after all!

I am, of course, talking about what happened in the request thread a short while ago. Highly embarrassing in my opinion. I know how easily people point at others and see them as the 'root' of the problem. Don't make me laugh. The biggest scapegoat (name starts with an X) barely posts anymore and what exactly has changed? Right, nothing. Quite a few advanced modders have already left because they didn't feel welcome anymore.

So what should be done is (IMO):

1. @everyone:



2. We need to come up with some guidelines and write them down. Such as how we as a community feel about:

- credits
- using work by other members (for modding)
- requesting things (when is it too much?)
- re-uploading models that are no longer available
- distribution of raw data from games
- 'claiming' model w.i.p.'s (how long can you expect people to wait?)
- other things

Credits
I think that first and foremost, the original developer of the content has to be credited. If a model porter/modder explicitly mentiones that they do not wish to be credited, then don't (of course). If they require it, then write their name down as well. If they don't say anything about it, you can decide for yourself what you want. Crediting makes it easier for others (like people on deviantArt) to find the model, though.

Using work by others
Always check if there is a readme file. If the modder wrote in that readme that they don't want others to take textures/meshes/armature etc. from the model, then don't do it. If there is no readme, contact the modder about it. If you can't reach them, you can either decide to use it or not use it. If you do, at least make sure to credit that person so that they won't be butt-hurt when they return to teh interwebs and see it. Try to place yourself in their shoes, how would you want to be treated?

Requesting things
...

Re-uploading
If a model has a working link, don't create a new one. If a link no longer works, contact the person who uploaded it. Why is it down? Maybe the person doesn't even know (Mediafire tends to delete links ), you can do them a big favour by letting them know about it, so that they can re-up it themself. They might have taken it down for a reason, maybe it has an error or it needs an update. So contacting them will make this clear to you. Anyway, if the person can't be reached in any way, I would say that anyone who was lucky enough to download that model should share it with others, if people are asking for it. Let me hear your thoughts about it.

Distribution of raw data
What is our point of view as a community on this?

Claiming models
When you want to work on something, let others know about it in the w.i.p. thread, to avoid duplicates. However... how long should such a claim remain valid? Is it okay to let people wait a whole year (for example) while other people with the same know-how and all the time in the world would love to do it too and be able to finish it in less than a week? I am looking forward to see some opinions about this.

Please share your thoughts about how we can make the XNALara forum a more inviting and less hostile place for newcomers and veterans alike.

I totally agree with Claiming models. Because if I want to export any model and I notice that someone wanted to do that a year ago and suddenly he wants now too then it s strange.

[Giichil]

Well as the noob who people immediately jumped upon even when everybody got their credit, my portion of this is that I agree with Love2Raid's proposals. The Fil's DA account for one, couldn't be accessed because it was down for some reason. I couldn't PM the person. But I was lucky enough to download the models and somebody wanted them.

(TheFil is back)

There was no readme.

If you're not the one who ported the models, then chill out and don't take it so personally. I will (always and very easily) remove any links I have given out due to someone's request if it bothers the original porter.

But I'm not going to take third party orders if you're not responsible. You can get as mad as you want, and I'll greet you in the same fashion.

I didn't know before that sn00p was responsible for porting the Witcher models, but instead of telling me I'm lazy (and an ass) for not checking the recap thread, a little courtesy could have been exercised. Such as referring me to the bloody recap thread link.

Edit: Oh, and none of them went against the beginning Lara Guidelines image in regards to outside links of models.

[rexil]

Originally Posted by Giichil

Well as the noob who people immediately jumped upon even when everybody got their credit, my portion of this is that I agree with Love2Raid's proposals. The Fil's DA account for one, couldn't be accessed because it was down for some reason. I couldn't PM the person. But I was lucky enough to download the models and somebody wanted them.

(TheFil is back)

There was no readme.

If you're not the one who ported the models, then chill out and don't take it so personally. I will (always and very easily) remove any links I have given out due to someone's request if it bothers the original porter.

But I'm not going to take third party orders if you're not responsible. You can get as mad as you want, and I'll greet you in the same fashion.

I didn't know before that sn00p was responsible for porting the Witcher models, but instead of telling me I'm lazy (and an ass) for not checking the recap thread, a little courtesy could have been exercised. Such as referring me to the bloody recap thread link.

Edit: Oh, and none of them went against the beginning Lara Guidelines image in regards to outside links of models.

Sorry but you know why I "jumped" on you? You clearly don't read what people write.
Go back to the request thread where you posted that HUGE list of models in your very first post.
Read what Crofty replied to you.
Then look what you did some posts later.
Now tell me, did you read what she said at all.
And do you think I care about post count? I would have replied to you the same way even if I had no posts at all.
You didn't read anything people said to you.
If I recall you where the one who got pissed first over that huge list of yours, you even compared our community to some other bad one.
Yeah I'm the bad guy around here, thanks. I think I'll ask a mod for an account deletion them I can create a new one with 0 posts, so we can talk with no posts barrier. Right?

[o0Crofty0o]

Originally Posted by Love2Raid

The forum rules (as stated by the staff) should be clear for everyone now. Break them, you get a warning or banned. Simple as that!

But what about the 'unwritten' XNA community rules? The ones that will, when you dare to break them, result in a lynch mob chasing your butt instead? New members can't know about those since they aren't written anywhere, yet they are shunned when they don't act 'like they should'. How are they supposed to know? You can say 'you should have read all the threads before posting' or 'do your homework', but I personally do not think this is the right way to treat each other. It's not only disrespectful, but it also looks very hostile and uninviting. I can see how people would be turned off from joining. This would, of course, be a shame. The more, the merrier, after all!

I am, of course, talking about what happened in the request thread a short while ago. Highly embarrassing in my opinion. I know how easily people point at others and see them as the 'root' of the problem. Don't make me laugh. The biggest scapegoat (name starts with an X) barely posts anymore and what exactly has changed? Right, nothing. Quite a few advanced modders have already left because they didn't feel welcome anymore.

So what should be done is (IMO):

1. @everyone:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NmOP9.png[/MG]

2. We need to come up with some guidelines and write them down. Such as how we as a community feel about:

- credits
- using work by other members (for modding)
- requesting things (when is it too much?)
- re-uploading models that are no longer available
- distribution of raw data from games
- 'claiming' model w.i.p.'s (how long can you expect people to wait?)
- other things

Credits
I think that first and foremost, the original developer of the content has to be credited. If a model porter/modder explicitly mentiones that they do not wish to be credited, then don't (of course). If they require it, then write their name down as well. If they don't say anything about it, you can decide for yourself what you want. Crediting makes it easier for others (like people on deviantArt) to find the model, though.

Using work by others
Always check if there is a readme file. If the modder wrote in that readme that they don't want others to take textures/meshes/armature etc. from the model, then don't do it. If there is no readme, contact the modder about it. If you can't reach them, you can either decide to use it or not use it. If you do, at least make sure to credit that person so that they won't be butt-hurt when they return to teh interwebs and see it. Try to place yourself in their shoes, how would you want to be treated?

Requesting things
...

Re-uploading
If a model has a working link, don't create a new one. If a link no longer works, contact the person who uploaded it. Why is it down? Maybe the person doesn't even know (Mediafire tends to delete links ), you can do them a big favour by letting them know about it, so that they can re-up it themself. They might have taken it down for a reason, maybe it has an error or it needs an update. So contacting them will make this clear to you. Anyway, if the person can't be reached in any way, I would say that anyone who was lucky enough to download that model should share it with others, if people are asking for it. Let me hear your thoughts about it.

Distribution of raw data
What is our point of view as a community on this?

Claiming models
When you want to work on something, let others know about it in the w.i.p. thread, to avoid duplicates. However... how long should such a claim remain valid? Is it okay to let people wait a whole year (for example) while other people with the same know-how and all the time in the world would love to do it too and be able to finish it in less than a week? I am looking forward to see some opinions about this.

Please share your thoughts about how we can make the XNALara forum a more inviting and less hostile place for newcomers and veterans alike.

I mostly agree with this^^
Claiming models however well yeah... one year is kinda much, but yet there are few games that i personally simply am a fan of and want to do the models so badly (deus ex human revolution...i would have pooped them all out if it wasn't so hard to get them)
I think that people should post what they work on in the wip thread. Whole lists should imo be on the first post >_> but well the user who opened that thread isn't online much anymore =/
Well it would make it easier for people to see what's being worked on. If they then can't wait to do/ see a model here they should ask the person who said he/she's going to work on it, if he/she still wants to do it and when. If yes then the asking person should accept it and if not then the road's free xD

I personally always do it like that. Well i'm rambling a bit xD here's a good and a bad example of reacting to wip stuff/model claiming:

Good:
Just recently i asked rexil if he's still going to do Hyperdimension Neptunia MK2 models. He said yes so i accept that and wait nvm how long.

Bad:
Just recently i asked rexil if he's still going to do Hyperdimension Neptunia MK2 models. He said yes but i don't want to wait so i just do them myself.



Second one is just impolite and doesn't really support any community feeling imo. Badly that happens quite often, because people are impatient and rather use rushed stuff instead of stuff that has been tweaked to look good.

[Giichil]

Originally Posted by rexil

Sorry but you know why I "jumped" on you? You clearly don't read what people write.
Go back to the request thread where you posted that HUGE list of models in your very first post.
Read what Crofty replied to you.
Then look what you did some posts later.
Now tell me, did you read what she said at all.
And do you think I care about post count? I would have replied to you the same way even if I had no posts at all.
You didn't read anything people said to you.
If I recall you where the one who got pissed first over that huge list of yours, you even compared our community to some other bad one.

Yes, I remember. The "you ain't gonna make no friends around here" bandwagon. I didn't reply angrily, I replied exactly to what people said. I didn't think they all needed me to dissect their ideas with individual quotes. Clearly that's what I do when I'm steemed, as with you.

I obviously read what they said, because I completely deleted my entire long list of requests.

You need to go back and re-read that. I also said you guys weren't as rude as the Highlander forums. Then I came across you for the second time. You're the exception. Smartass remarks, "you're doing it wrong" gigantic image. Listing "common sense" three times.

The "HUGE" list of models has credits towards everyone responsible for it. It pissed you off, but as I repeated ad naseum I was just trying to help. I came in first with a long list of requests and was told that was wrong, so to make up for it I posted a long list of request fills.

Yeah I'm the bad guy around here, thanks. I think I'll ask a mod for an account deletion them I can create a new one with 0 posts, so we can talk with no posts barrier. Right?

You really should. After awhile it might humble you. Just be sure not to go around telling everybody you used to be a high number.

[rexil]

Originally Posted by Giichil

Yes, I remember. The "you ain't gonna get no respect around here" bandwagon. I didn't reply angrily, I replied exactly to what people said. I didn't think they all needed me to dissect their ideas with individual quotes. Clearly that's what I do when I'm steemed, as with you.

I obviously read what they said, because I completely deleted my entire long list of requests.

You need to go back and re-read that. I also said you guys weren't as rude as the Highlander forums. Then I came across you for the second time. You're the exception. Smartass remarks, "you're doing it wrong" gigantic image. Listing "common sense" three times.



You really should. After awhile it might humble you. Just be sure not to go around telling everybody you used to be a high number.

Here's what I'm referring to which you are turning a blind eye:

Originally Posted by o0Crofty0o

I think a huge list of requests is the wrong way to get into a Community.

I said quite some times now that i will reupload evrything i ported. Also darkness 2 models are on my list. I just have a real life too like all the others here so i Do things when i want to.

Then poof, Sindel model by Crofty pops up three pages after that post.
Yeah you clearly read what people says.
You're doing it wrong image was posted for this exactly reason.
Tell me you was right now.

[Giichil]

Originally Posted by rexil

Here's what I'm referring to which you are turning a blind eye: Then poof, Sindel model by Crofty pops up three pages after that post.
Yeah you clearly read what people says.
You're doing it wrong image was posted for this exactly reason.
Tell me you was right now.

She was referring to the Darkness model, not Sindel. Yes I noticed, but I didn't make the correlation. The Sindel model was already removed per her request. Yet here you are still fuming about it.

Yes, I read what people say. Which reminds me.
Have a mod delete your account then.

[RoxasKennedy]

Originally Posted by Giichil

Yes, I read what people say. Which reminds me.
Have a mod delete your account then.

Here, you can thank me later.

[rexil]

Originally Posted by Giichil

She was referring to the Darkness model, not Sindel. Yes I noticed, but I didn't make the correlation. The Sindel model was already removed per her request. Yet here you are still fuming about it.

Yes, I read what people say. Which reminds me.
Have a mod delete your account then.

You removed the model when she asked you which clearly means you didn't read what she previously said about updating the models that where down.
No you don't read.
I think =/= I will.

[Giichil]

Originally Posted by rexil

I think =/= I will.

I removed the bloody thing. The past is past. Drop it.
Your post number = Your ego.