General TRAOD Thread - Page 120

Caesum · 20-03-17, 08:06

Yes she was killed. There was going to be a kiosk where you could buy magazines. In one of them would be information about Carvier's murder.

TR-Freak · 20-03-17, 09:56

^I didn't like her anyway.

Zsott · 20-03-17, 15:18

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Originally Posted by benjamin_2010

Question about the game/story...

This was fleshed out so poorly (to me), but when Lara leaves Carvier's apartment, wakes up the next day in the Parisian Ghetto. She meets Janice. And Janice mentions "that poor woman..." Lara says "Carvier!"

Did this suggest that the Monstrum killed Carvier overnight? This is what I've always assumed, though there seems to be a lack of any real evidence in game?

For me the question was, why she had to die?
I mean, at that time Karel knew, Lara will go after the painting... (that's how Lara works)

Anyway, I have question too:

In the Strahov Lara shuts down the power, later in the biodome overwatches Eckhardt and co.
So, Eckhardt asks Muller it is his fault or not. I wonder what he coud have made, to suspect him... (not to mention he killed Boaz out of anger...)
Any info on Muller? Was he worked with Karel and Boaz?

Joey79100 · 20-03-17, 17:13

Carvier meant to call the police, probably tell them all the details to capture Lara which could have make it difficult for to stay out, away from the police, and consequently it could have stopped her from doing any research and finding the paintings. I think Karel just wanted her to find the paintings for him because he saw some potential in her.

And well, at the end of the game, when Karel meets Lara (which wasn't meant to be the first time), it looks like he had some sympathy for her, admiration, or something, I mean he did not have an aggressive attitude towards her, no scorn.
In French, we have two ways to say "You", an informal one, that you use with your friends, family, people you know we'll enough, and a formal one, that you use by default when meeting someone (except children). And in that scene, Lara was talking to Karel in an informal way, like when she was talking to Werner (Jean-Yves too, but that was in TR4).
He also offers her the chance to rule on the world he's trying to create, which is quite something big.

So yeah, basically I think Karel wanted to prevent Lara from having any problem, and Carvier could have been one.

Caesum · 20-03-17, 18:10

^ This would have made sense if police was of any danger to the Cabal, which wasn't the case here. As we know from Murti's files, the Cabal had contacts with police and infact forced them to frame Lara for murder. According to Murti's documents police even faked evidence in order to make Lara look guilty.

The reason why Karel killed Carvier was because she was a loose end. I don't know if Eckhardt really cared about tidying up his dirty business, but Karel was very strict about it. That's why Werner Von Croy was killed. He wasn't needed anymore and he knew too much. Carvier was killed for the same reason.

peeves · 20-03-17, 19:41

I'm guessing Eckhardt killed off bouchard but then again it coulda been karel being the boss of eckhardt.

JoelCaesar · 20-03-17, 23:26

I always get confused at how Bouchard died. Considering he wasn't burned(?) like Luddick and never had his intestines thrown on the wall like Von Croy. He justs flops on the ground and you steal his keys

SS Leigh · 20-03-17, 23:29

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Originally Posted by JoelCaesar

I always get confused at how Bouchard died. Considering he wasn't burned(?) like Luddick and never had his intestines thrown on the wall like Von Croy. He justs flops on the ground and you steal his keys

Maybe he died of old age waiting for Lara to come back :v Then the monstrum came and felt the rotten flesh smell and put him on the closet. 100% tr00

Newraider75 · 20-03-17, 23:46

I'd love to play through this game again soon but I don't want to ruin my opinion on it

peeves · 28-03-17, 21:32

I'm thinking the monstrum killed bouchard off and put him in the closet.

20-03-17, 17:13	#1194
Joey79100 Member Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,756	Carvier meant to call the police, probably tell them all the details to capture Lara which could have make it difficult for to stay out, away from the police, and consequently it could have stopped her from doing any research and finding the paintings. I think Karel just wanted her to find the paintings for him because he saw some potential in her. And well, at the end of the game, when Karel meets Lara (which wasn't meant to be the first time), it looks like he had some sympathy for her, admiration, or something, I mean he did not have an aggressive attitude towards her, no scorn. In French, we have two ways to say "You", an informal one, that you use with your friends, family, people you know we'll enough, and a formal one, that you use by default when meeting someone (except children). And in that scene, Lara was talking to Karel in an informal way, like when she was talking to Werner (Jean-Yves too, but that was in TR4). He also offers her the chance to rule on the world he's trying to create, which is quite something big. So yeah, basically I think Karel wanted to prevent Lara from having any problem, and Carvier could have been one. Last edited by Joey79100; 20-03-17 at 17:15.

20-03-17, 08:06	#1191
Caesum Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 12,098	Yes she was killed. There was going to be a kiosk where you could buy magazines. In one of them would be information about Carvier's murder.

20-03-17, 09:56	#1192
TR-Freak Unverified Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,140	^I didn't like her anyway.

20-03-17, 18:10	#1195
Caesum Member Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 12,098	^ This would have made sense if police was of any danger to the Cabal, which wasn't the case here. As we know from Murti's files, the Cabal had contacts with police and infact forced them to frame Lara for murder. According to Murti's documents police even faked evidence in order to make Lara look guilty. The reason why Karel killed Carvier was because she was a loose end. I don't know if Eckhardt really cared about tidying up his dirty business, but Karel was very strict about it. That's why Werner Von Croy was killed. He wasn't needed anymore and he knew too much. Carvier was killed for the same reason.

20-03-17, 19:41	#1196
peeves Member Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 65,567	I'm guessing Eckhardt killed off bouchard but then again it coulda been karel being the boss of eckhardt.

20-03-17, 23:26	#1197
JoelCaesar Member Joined: Mar 2016 Posts: 2,564	I always get confused at how Bouchard died. Considering he wasn't burned(?) like Luddick and never had his intestines thrown on the wall like Von Croy. He justs flops on the ground and you steal his keys

20-03-17, 23:46	#1199
Newraider75 Member Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 3,877	I'd love to play through this game again soon but I don't want to ruin my opinion on it

28-03-17, 21:32	#1200
peeves Member Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 65,567	I'm thinking the monstrum killed bouchard off and put him in the closet.