General TRAOD Thread

[Samz]

Originally Posted by FreakRaider

Do we know how Lara got from Carvier's apartment to the beginning of Parisian Ghetto? And what's the whole deal with there being a night version of that place?

She probably just walked around til' she found it, maybe checked some city map and looked for whatever spots someone on the run could hide out on.

People reckon originally you'd have been in the Ghetto at night after Carvier's level, with the unused Beta policemen stalking the streets, so you'd have to find the traincar where Lara would rest for the night.

[KIKO]

You can find information about that in Ash's website.

Description: Lara has the notebook, she jumps out of the open window and runs down the alley, Lara comes across abandoned railway she looks down on it. Fade to black.
(Lara: Climbs out of window, runs, walks, climbs block, gets up from duck)

https://www.tomb-of-ash.com/tomb-rai...cutscene-list/

Might be worth a look. There's quite a few deleted cutscenes mentioned. I wonder if Peter Connelly has some form of an uncut version of that cutscene, if it exists that is.

[SnatchingEdges]

Originally Posted by Caesum

Earth icon is a hyperlink, if you right click on it and check properties it says something like "steam://rungameid/225020". Probably refreshing desktop or restarting Windows should do the trick. Or removing the icon and then using "add icon to desktop" to get it back. Generally I wouldn't worry as the icons always come back eventually.

If neither works then you can try manually applying an icon. They're all being kept at C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\appcache\librarycache

thanks! it worked

[Zsott]

Originally Posted by KIKO

https://www.tomb-of-ash.com/tomb-rai...cutscene-list/

Hmm...

CUTSCENE – CABAL MEETING. Player privileged view: five silhouetted shapes round a table presided over by the figure we saw leaving the pawnbroker’s [Eckhardt, but we don’t know that yet]. He addresses the group as the CABAL.

So six person at the table, seven if we count Gunderson in the background:
-Eckhardt
-Karel
-Boaz
-Muller

I know Rouzic was supposed to be there, but who's the last one? Do we have any intel on that person?

IG-ANIM – Inside the final Obscura Paintings chamber. Massive, heavy architecture and ancient dust and crud everywhere. There are 12 duplicate paintings gripped in the skeleton claws of guardian ghoulies arranged around the room. A large archway hidden in shadow is carved with an ancient Latin inscription. Lara gets out a flare/torch and reads the inscription out translating it as she goes. “THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF THE KEEPER BEHOLD THE TRUTH.”

Sounds interesting, but I think I prefer the final version...

AUDIO-PROMPT – in the X-Ray room the player will get a voice prompt for Lara to discover the hidden symbol in the painting.

Can't believe it, that it took me this long to realize, but the X-ray feature is not scrapped, but relocated to the digging site...


Now, the real reason I'm posting:

... Lara skids round a corner and sees Kurtis out cold on the floor. She bends over to check on him. She gets knocked out too. From Lara’s blurry POV we see the figure in guard’s uniform stride off with the painting. As he walks the guard shimmers and changes into the more distinctive of Bouchard’s thugs we have seen earlier, the armed doorman. Lara blacks out. BLACK SCREEN.

Lara comes to to find Bouchard slapping her awake. No sign of Kurtis. Lara spots a crystal Shard on the ground where the stranger/Kurtis was lying. Bouchard helps her up. She pockets the Shard without him seeing. They run for the car. Did he see anyone else when he arrived? No. She tells him she has to get to Von Croy’s apartment. He offers to drive her there. They run to his car parked nearby.

This scene always bugged me for several reasons.
We know [now] that it was Karel who knocked Lara out. Okay. I got it.
So.. theory time!


While Lara is unconscious, Kurtis gets dragged away, by Karel as a Gunderson goon, but then him shapeshifting into the doorman doesn't make any sense. (In general it doesn't make any sense, since it never got explained, or mentioned again why he did it.)
We know, that Karel needs Lara to retrieve the final shard (and the painting) to destroy Eckhardt and revive the nephilim. So it makes sense, he leaves Kurtis' shard behind.

It could be possible, that Bouchard was Karel too, while the real one was already in Prague (alternatively, in Prague but dead). Probably Karel as a doorman acted like some kind of right hand man for Bouchard, so he manipulated him.
But then, it doesn't make sense for Karel to dispose of Lara.

This would also mean, the first two levels where we were playing as Kurtis, was in fact Karel; while the real Kurtis was held somewhere in the Strahov, till the fight with Boaz.
So the only time we really play as Kurtis, was the fight with Boaz. However, that would contradict the security room cutscene with Eckhardt and Karel and the airlock scene with the other two.
On the other hand, I doubt Kurtis wouldn't notice, that one of his shards missing... without a good reason.

So... who is who and how Karel could possibly insert himself without alerting anyone of his doings?

[Caesum]

Originally Posted by Zsott

Can't believe it, that it took me this long to realize, but the X-ray feature is not scrapped, but relocated to the digging site...

Apparently there are some printed manuals which mention X-Ray being used on the retrieved painting, so I think you would have to use X-Ray twice. The other X-Ray machine is still in the room with the respirators so I think the idea was scrapped very late in development.

Originally Posted by Zsott

While Lara is unconscious, Kurtis gets dragged away, by Karel as a Gunderson goon, but then him shapeshifting into the doorman doesn't make any sense. (In general it doesn't make any sense, since it never got explained, or mentioned again why he did it.)
We know, that Karel needs Lara to retrieve the final shard (and the painting) to destroy Eckhardt and revive the nephilim. So it makes sense, he leaves Kurtis' shard behind.

I could never understand why he shapeshifted into that monkey looking thing either. Always thought it was a bug because it looked so hilarious and out of place. Also a real shame he didn't turn into himself, but then again I suppose Core just wanted to show that there was a shapeshifter, but didn't want to give away his identity to make players even more confused and suspicious.

Originally Posted by Zsott

It could be possible, that Bouchard was Karel too, while the real one was already in Prague (alternatively, in Prague but dead). Probably Karel as a doorman acted like some kind of right hand man for Bouchard, so he manipulated him.
But then, it doesn't make sense for Karel to dispose of Lara.

Yeah, I think Bouchard was still Bouchard when he met Lara one last time in Paris. He sent the Cleaner to get rid of her. Karel kept Lara alive since the beginning because he wanted her to retrieve the paintings, so he would have to be completely bipolar to suddenly decide to kill her. If anything, then maybe in Prague we have talked with Karel, not Bouchard, who might hace been locked in the closet already. Although even then I'm not sure, it is quite possible that Karel killed Bouchard when he said too much and then quit the building in a form of Bouchard (as mentioned by Luddick in the scrapped dialogues).

Originally Posted by Zsott

This would also mean, the first two levels where we were playing as Kurtis, was in fact Karel; while the real Kurtis was held somewhere in the Strahov, till the fight with Boaz.
So the only time we really play as Kurtis, was the fight with Boaz. However, that would contradict the security room cutscene with Eckhardt and Karel and the airlock scene with the other two.
On the other hand, I doubt Kurtis wouldn't notice, that one of his shards missing... without a good reason.

So... who is who and how Karel could possibly insert himself without alerting anyone of his doings?

What do you mean he didn't notice? Yes, he is surprised when Lara shows him the shard, but it doesn't mean he didn't knew it was gone. He probably assumed the person who knocked him out was the same person who took the shard. He ruled out Lara probably because he thought she was too far away when someone else attacked him. We also don't know when Kurtis regain his consciousness, so it's possible Lara was long gone when he woke up. Besides it just wouldn't make sense for Karel to run around Maximum Containment Area as Kurtis. We also don't know if Chirugai would listen to him. According to docs Kurtis needed years of training to be able to move the blade. And even if Karel was able to do that, once again he had his own special powers and he wasn't really the kind of guy who would do stuff by himself anyway, tbh lol.

Long story short:
We see Bouchard during the entire Paris section. In Prague we also talk to Bouchard, but then he is killed while Lara is checking Vasiley's house. Karel shapeshifts to Bouchard and is seen by Luddick.

Kurtis was Kurtis each time we have seen him in the game. Karel shapeshifted to Kurtis only once, in front of Lara to confuse her.

I suppose his shapeshifting skills were meant to be more used in the original script, but after so many changes and so many places cut they just didn't have enough time to properly introduce him to the players.

[KIKO]

Originally Posted by Zsott

Hmm...

So six person at the table, seven if we count Gunderson in the background:
-Eckhardt
-Karel
-Boaz
-Muller

I know Rouzic was supposed to be there, but who's the last one? Do we have any intel on that person?

Muller, Boaz, Karel, Rouzic and Gunderson. Gunderson is also part of the Cabal. My guess is they decided not to have him sit at the table in the final cutscene.

[Trenton]

Originally Posted by _Seth

Well, I went with my custom one for my project, at any rate. XD

Loved this! Nice work!

[Zsott]

Originally Posted by Caesum

Apparently there are some printed manuals which mention X-Ray being used on the retrieved painting, so I think you would have to use X-Ray twice. The other X-Ray machine is still in the room with the respirators so I think the idea was scrapped very late in development.

I know about that. there's a painting hidden behind the machine too...

What do you mean he didn't notice?

I mean, that he wants to destroy Eckhardt, he needs three of them.
He travels to Prague, infiltrate the Strahov and runs into Lara, only to realize he lost it.

I mean... It's like Lara drops one of her pistols and won't notice it, until Kurtis shows it to her; meanwhile she went to Prague, broke into a crimescene, infiltrated Strahov, went trough its loading bay, the biodome, where she had to use weapons.

[Boobandie]

Originally Posted by Caesum

I could never understand why he shapeshifted into that monkey looking thing either. Always thought it was a bug because it looked so hilarious and out of place.

What monkey looking thing are you talking about? The Proto is an entirely seperate creature, and I don't see any 'monkey' aspects about Karel's Nephilim form at the end.

[SnatchingEdges]

I'm not enjoying this TRAOD playthru. I'm only at the Bouchard's hideout and God knows my struggle to get there. I played with a controller IN my previous playthroughs, now with a keyboard and what a chore.


I hate how Lara walks slowly before running.