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Old 11-05-19, 11:44   #981
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^To be fair, inconsistency is very common in CD's Tomb Raider games.
As for the comics not influencing the games enough, I'm a bit mixed on that. All the games do so reference the comics in the form of Easter Eggs ("Suicide in the tube") and a couple more that I can't think of now.
I do think that the first few comic volumes are relevant because:
1. Rihanna Pratchett herself worked on a majority of these.
2. They show how reboot Lara could've been a much more well received character when portrayed properly.
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Old 11-05-19, 11:50   #982
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Richard was definitely supposed to be portrayed as more of a rugged adventurer in the comics. In 'The Queen of Serpents' storyline, we see him in a flashback where hes portrayed as fit and handsome. The Queen of Serpents herself was obsessed with him, which I have a hard time believing given how he looks in Shadow

I don't know about the idea that he was on the level of Roth and Grim, though. Even in the comic, it was only implied that he was a charming, brave person that would risk going into danger if it meant getting what he was after. I don't think thats too much of a contradiction, if one at all.

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^To be fair, inconsistency is very common in CD's Tomb Raider games.
As for the comics not influencing the games enough, I'm a bit mixed on that. All the games do so reference the comics in the form of Easter Eggs ("Suicide in the tube") and a couple more that I can't think of now.
I do think that the first few comic volumes are relevant because:
Curious, whats the suicide in the tube a reference to? And what game was it said in?

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Old 11-05-19, 11:54   #983
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Richard was definitely supposed to be portrayed as more of a rugged adventurer in the comics. In 'The Queen of Serpents' storyline, we see him in a flashback where hes portrayed as fit and handsome. The Queen of Serpents herself was obsessed with him, which I have a hard time believing given how he looks in Shadow
Well he did end up going on a downwards spiral after Amelia died. He got really depressed and sad. Maybe he let himself go in the looks department
I like Richard. He's rather compelling in my opinion.


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That one issue where Lara fought a Trinity assassin in a 19th century dress
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Old 11-05-19, 11:54   #984
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Richard was definitely supposed to be portrayed as more of a rugged adventurer in the comics. In 'The Queen of Serpents' storyline, we see him in a flashback where hes portrayed as fit and handsome. The Queen of Serpents herself was obsessed with him, which I have a hard time believing given how he looks in Shadow



Curious, whats the suicide in the tube a reference to? And what game was it said in?
Its a newspaper in the opening of Rise.
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Old 11-05-19, 11:59   #985
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That one issue where Lara fought a Trinity assassin in a 19th century dress
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Its a newspaper in the opening of Rise.
Ah okay! I never caught that. It's a shame that guy had to die. I think he would've made a great henchman character. A better, though less handsome Rourke.
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Old 11-05-19, 12:03   #986
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^To be fair, inconsistency is very common in CD's Tomb Raider games.
As for the comics not influencing the games enough, I'm a bit mixed on that. All the games do so reference the comics in the form of Easter Eggs ("Suicide in the tube") and a couple more that I can't think of now.
I do think that the first few comic volumes are relevant because:
1. Rihanna Pratchett herself worked on a majority of these.
2. They show how reboot Lara could've been a much more well received character when portrayed properly.

That's my main point though; CD has always been rife with inconsistency and poor progression no matter what era you are talking about. Others are coming in trying to rationalise the inconsistencies and I don't think you can. If people want to take Rise Richard as the version of the character they want him to be than that is ok cause that's how he has been portrayed. But taking into account the reboot and the comics, which based on your points above we have to do, then he is inconsistently represented and you cannot explain that away other than poor writing and planning and I don't understand why people get so defensive of that. Like you said, it's rife. You can like a form of the character whilst still admitting there are inconsistencies. Pointing out the inconsistencies is not dragging or insulting Richard or CD... they're just there, undeniably.
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Old 11-05-19, 12:05   #987
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We simply cannot ignore cannon content. People seems to pick and choose around here on when they want to use the comics or not. They're cannon and it's as simple as that. At this stage the comics should probably be made non cannon as Lara herself is inconsistent between the games and the comics herself. *shrugs*
I’ve always thought this, which is partly why I haven’t engaged in the comics. They don’t appear to contribute much towards the story the games are telling. I’m not picking and choosing; in my mind the games are the most important source for the story and should take precedent. If they want Richard being an awesome adventurer to be canon, they should show that there, but instead he’s been pretty consistent as a bookish guy relying on Roth for physical support, outside a line or two in TR2013 which can be debated.

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Grimm's entry in the diary says he and Roth would kill every solarii and it would be like the old days minus 'Dickie' which implies Richard would get invovled in that.
He says Richard was part of the “old days” and then describes in what capacity: as a researcher. While Roth’s “you’re a Croft” line does suggest Richard was capable of extraordinary things, it can also be applied to his determination. “You can do it, Lara. After all, whenever your dad set his mind to something, he couldn’t stop until he did it.” That sort of thing, which isn’t exclusive to physical feats.

The only true inconsistency with how Richard is portrayed between TR2013 and Rise/Shadow, imo, is how Roth describes him as someone who “never gave up”...when he was believed to have killed himself. That’s a glaring fault on the writer’s part, but it doesn’t stop me from headcanoning that maybe Roth didn’t think it was a suicide; after all, the only person Richard confided in about his vault was Roth, so it’s not unlikely he voiced his paranoia about Trinity to him as well, which would gain more credence after a man seemingly so determined (“you’re a Croft!”) would take his own life.

But, of course, none of that’s in the game, it’s just my speculating. I don’t think there’s huge shift in his portrayal, especially since it was so vague in TR2013 to begin with.

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In 'The Queen of Serpents' storyline, we see him in a flashback where hes portrayed as fit and handsome.
Are there screenshots of this purely for educational purposes?

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I like Richard. He's rather compelling in my opinion.
Me too! It’s funny since I’m so against him dominating the plot in Rise, but I’d say he and Amelia are two of the best written characters in the trilogy.
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Old 11-05-19, 12:07   #988
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Richard was definitely supposed to be portrayed as more of a rugged adventurer in the comics. In 'The Queen of Serpents' storyline, we see him in a flashback where hes portrayed as fit and handsome. The Queen of Serpents herself was obsessed with him, which I have a hard time believing given how he looks in Shadow

I don't know about the idea that he was on the level of Roth and Grim, though. Even in the comic, it was only implied that he was a charming, brave person that would risk going into danger if it meant getting what he was after. I don't think thats too much of a contradiction, if one at all.



Curious, whats the suicide in the tube a reference to? And what game was it said in?
I agree with you But I know you can become obssessed with someone who isn't a cover boy by others standarts and being fascinated with his interior charm as well (basically my whole love life) I have re read the pages when he appear. His face isn't show at all. He's only fit but Richard isn't a big bear neighter

The suicide is a reference to the comics arc Secret and Lies wich end in London's Tube.

The one thing I really like to ignore is the novel Ten Thousands Immortals. Besides of that the others comics I'm good with them.

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Old 11-05-19, 12:13   #989
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He says Richard was part of the “old days” and then describes in what capacity: as a researcher. While Roth’s “you’re a Croft” line does suggest Richard was capable of extraordinary things, it can also be applied to his determination. “You can do it, Lara. After all, whenever your dad set his mind to something, he couldn’t stop until he did it.” That sort of thing, which isn’t exclusive to physical feats.

The only true inconsistency with how Richard is portrayed between TR2013 and Rise/Shadow, imo, is how Roth describes him as someone who “never gave up”...when he was believed to have killed himself. That’s a glaring fault on the writer’s part, but it doesn’t stop me from headcanoning that maybe Roth didn’t think it was a suicide; after all, the only person Richard confided in about his vault was Roth, so it’s not unlikely he voiced his paranoia about Trinity to him as well, which would gain more credence after a man seemingly so determined (“you’re a Croft!”) would take his own life.

But, of course, none of that’s in the game, it’s just my speculating. I don’t think there’s huge shift in his portrayal, especially since it was so vague in TR2013 to begin with.
Personally, I've never got this impression from the reboot. But, I think that is a valid detail to point out. You're taking one impression of Richard from the events presented and I am taking another. When you can do that I don't think you've successfully delivered a character well. Plus, we can't get away from the more action oriented version of Richard I percieve him to be in the reboot matches up well with the comics which came before Rise. Like you said, there is inconsistency between Reboot and Rise. Now, sure, we are arguing the specifics of what those inconsistencies are but we don't disagree that there are inconsistencies between those two games (and the comics). This to me shouldn't be the case regardless of what the intricacises are: it's been poorly planned. But, this is CD's issue and it always has been. Again I want to point out for those that will accuse me of dragging CD or being a Core enthusiast, pointing out someone's flaws is not an insult. But, CD's strong point is not story and character planning. In my opinion, that really needs to be either outsourced or the series completely given to someone else with a different vision for the next games as inconsistency has been a problem for 6 games now.
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Old 11-05-19, 12:17   #990
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Oh, I definitely agree Crystal struggle with ongoing narratives and there’s inconsistencies between games. It’s just the Richard thing I’ve seen people bring up before that I don’t think is bad as it’s made out to be.
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