TR3 FlipMap Problem with TOMB EDITOR

J.J.S. · 11-09-22, 09:27

Hi there,

I started building a level with the new TOMB EDITOR and the TR3 Engine. Everything worked fine, but now I got a big problem trying to use flipped rooms:
There´s a bunch of flipped rooms that should work together either filled with water or not.

Therefore there are flipped rooms with different ID´s, different numbers assigned to them.

The problem is that if one flipmap is triggered all the others will be triggered with it at once!

So this makes it quite impossible to use flipmaps in a TR3-Engine level.

I tried to set up a new TR3 level with just a few test-rooms for it could have been that the level was somehow being corrupted but with that I got the same results - all flipmaps were flipped at once.

Then I tested another engine and everything worked fine...

I wonder if this is specifically a problem with the TOMB EDITOR and the TR3-engine?

My question is if anybody has encountered these problems building a TR3 level with the TOMB EDITOR? Is it a Problem with the script?

The whole thing is sad to me, it was a lot of work with these complex rooms and the level is in an advanced building state.

Could anyone help me? Thanks a lot for any answer

LoreRaider · 11-09-22, 09:30

ID's for flipped rooms were implemented from TR4, so you have one single flipmap for your entire level
You just have to carefully toggle it on/off depending on where she is and what the player did already, no TE issue here

J.J.S. · 11-09-22, 09:48

Ah-I see-sad but true, thank you very much!

J.J.S. · 11-09-22, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.J.S.

So this makes it quite impossible to use flipmaps in a TR3-Engine level.

Well of course itÂ´s possible to use flipmaps-just not the way I planned it.

So I need to find a workaround for the situation. I just didnÂ´t expect that. I must say my last level I built in 2002, 20 years ago-so sorry for behaving like a newbie...

MigMarado · 11-09-22, 18:56

I think everyone is happy you're back, and that's the important thing, J.J.S.!

Sabatu · 16-09-22, 09:41

I wrote about one flip map and then I noticed Lore ��

jonson · 28-09-22, 17:19

Mmh, but if it is like as you mentioned, that there is only one Flipmap allowed in TR III per level, how did the devs manage it in TR3 The Lost Artefact Shakespeare Cliff?

If I am not mistaking, there are two independent Flipmaps. The first triggered when the driller is used and second after the room is flooded before the third secret.

Did they made changes on the engine for TRIII TLA?

Edit: And also in Temple Ruins there should be more than one Flipmap: The first turning water into quicksand in the room with the transparent platforms and the second flooding a small pool to enable Lara to pull an UW lever to get access to a key.

Lwmte · 29-09-22, 06:19

It is done by using single flipmap with different masks. Same approach is used in Tomb of Qualopec in TR1. For more information, you should ask skilled TR1-TR3 builders.

jonson · 29-09-22, 07:06

Yes, nothing else I am doing here. Indeed, it would be great if skilled TR I - III builders could illuminate this a little bit more.

Feder · 29-09-22, 16:17

I think Danath once made a tutorial for the use of flipmaps in TR2 (which is the same as TR3). To sum up, there are 3 types of triggers that you need to use to have multiple flipmaps in a level:

1. FlipMap (to activate/deactivate the flipmap)
2. FlipOn (to turn on the ID of the rooms you want to flip)
3. FlipOff (to turn off such ID when you leave the place)

You shoud check how it's done on Core's levels.

Before and after every flipmap there is usually a corridor which only purpose is to place FlipOn and FlipOff triggers (see 40 Fathoms) that would indicate the game which flipmap is been displayed. The FlipOn trigger saves the state of activation/deactivation of the flipmap ID, and the FlipOff deactivates the flipmap without saving its state, so that it doesn't interfere with other flipmaps when you leave the afected section.

I explained it rather shortly but I hope it would be at least a useful guidance

11-09-22, 09:27	#1
J.J.S. Hobbyist Join Date: Sep 2022 Posts: 3	TR3 FlipMap Problem with TOMB EDITOR Hi there, I started building a level with the new TOMB EDITOR and the TR3 Engine. Everything worked fine, but now I got a big problem trying to use flipped rooms: There´s a bunch of flipped rooms that should work together either filled with water or not. Therefore there are flipped rooms with different ID´s, different numbers assigned to them. The problem is that if one flipmap is triggered all the others will be triggered with it at once! So this makes it quite impossible to use flipmaps in a TR3-Engine level. I tried to set up a new TR3 level with just a few test-rooms for it could have been that the level was somehow being corrupted but with that I got the same results - all flipmaps were flipped at once. Then I tested another engine and everything worked fine... I wonder if this is specifically a problem with the TOMB EDITOR and the TR3-engine? My question is if anybody has encountered these problems building a TR3 level with the TOMB EDITOR? Is it a Problem with the script? The whole thing is sad to me, it was a lot of work with these complex rooms and the level is in an advanced building state. Could anyone help me? Thanks a lot for any answer

11-09-22, 09:30	#2
LoreRaider Archaeologist Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Italy Posts: 1,682	ID's for flipped rooms were implemented from TR4, so you have one single flipmap for your entire level You just have to carefully toggle it on/off depending on where she is and what the player did already, no TE issue here __________________ "Everybody lies, no exceptions."

16-09-22, 09:41	#6
Sabatu Archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Ustí nad Labem / Czech Republic Posts: 1,208	I wrote about one flip map and then I noticed Lore �� __________________ Do you know what's faster than light? Sabatu creating levels to TR1 or TR2

28-09-22, 17:19	#7
jonson Hobbyist Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 19	Mmh, but if it is like as you mentioned, that there is only one Flipmap allowed in TR III per level, how did the devs manage it in TR3 The Lost Artefact Shakespeare Cliff? If I am not mistaking, there are two independent Flipmaps. The first triggered when the driller is used and second after the room is flooded before the third secret. Did they made changes on the engine for TRIII TLA? Edit: And also in Temple Ruins there should be more than one Flipmap: The first turning water into quicksand in the room with the transparent platforms and the second flooding a small pool to enable Lara to pull an UW lever to get access to a key. __________________ Best regards - jonson Last edited by jonson; 28-09-22 at 17:46.

29-09-22, 07:06	#9
jonson Hobbyist Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 19	Yes, nothing else I am doing here. Indeed, it would be great if skilled TR I - III builders could illuminate this a little bit more. __________________ Best regards - jonson

11-09-22, 09:48	#3
J.J.S. Hobbyist Join Date: Sep 2022 Posts: 3	Ah-I see-sad but true, thank you very much!

11-09-22, 18:56	#5
MigMarado Hobbyist Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Braga, Portugal Posts: 62	I think everyone is happy you're back, and that's the important thing, J.J.S.!

29-09-22, 06:19	#8
Lwmte Archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,770	It is done by using single flipmap with different masks. Same approach is used in Tomb of Qualopec in TR1. For more information, you should ask skilled TR1-TR3 builders.

29-09-22, 16:17	#10
Feder Historian Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 397	I think Danath once made a tutorial for the use of flipmaps in TR2 (which is the same as TR3). To sum up, there are 3 types of triggers that you need to use to have multiple flipmaps in a level: 1. FlipMap (to activate/deactivate the flipmap) 2. FlipOn (to turn on the ID of the rooms you want to flip) 3. FlipOff (to turn off such ID when you leave the place) You shoud check how it's done on Core's levels. Before and after every flipmap there is usually a corridor which only purpose is to place FlipOn and FlipOff triggers (see 40 Fathoms) that would indicate the game which flipmap is been displayed. The FlipOn trigger saves the state of activation/deactivation of the flipmap ID, and the FlipOff deactivates the flipmap without saving its state, so that it doesn't interfere with other flipmaps when you leave the afected section. I explained it rather shortly but I hope it would be at least a useful guidance