kill all trigger in puna temple

Guillaume coco · 25-09-20, 21:31

hello i want share with you my video on a kill all trigger/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOWnkbh4vt4

i don"t know if the kill all trigger exist in tr1 and TR2

SrDanielPonces · 26-09-20, 03:49

im sure there is

Woops · 26-09-20, 06:41

No, it was introduced in TR3

Mek · 26-09-20, 07:59

I was confused when I discovered the trigger. I did it by hearing the death sound of the enemies when sliding to the boss in Temple of Puna (I heard the sound on PC. It doesn't appear on all PC Tomb Raider III versions).

Why was the "kill all trigger" introduced? It feels so strange for a game engine to kill enemies when they are not defeated. Is it done for performance reasons? Is there a limit in the engine on the count of alive enemies?

SrDanielPonces · 26-09-20, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Mek

Is it done for performance reasons? Is there a limit in the engine on the count of alive enemies?

yes, yes

The Great Chi · 26-09-20, 14:20

One of the problems with the limitations of the game engines for TR1 to TR4, is that the rule is
you can only allow no more than five baddies in one room including Lara Croft, or the body parts of the baddies start disappearing as Lara rotates her view of the room. So it is imperative in the game design to limit the number of baddies, so you do not end up with loads of baddies in one room, either by kill trigger or zone-ing the baddies so they are stuck to one specific area.

It is not the first time, instead of killing the baddies, say due to lack of ammo, I have instead rushed through an area and the baddies stop chasing Lara after a while, as you move into a new area.

Note that five baddy limit does not seem to apply to some New generation TR4 custom games as I have seen a higher limit of baddies in one room and it works OK, not sure how many though to reach a limit.

Ringtir · 26-09-20, 21:46

Is really strange how that "works".

But something like that happens on Barkhang, if all the monks survives and some goons appear there will be some dissapearings.

Maybe the Core staff realized this issue and fix it with the room limit.

If i remember correctly, on TR3 the maximum amount of enemies you encounter are the 8(?) Compsognathus.

Mek · 26-09-20, 21:56

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Originally Posted by The Great Chi

One of the problems with the limitations of the game engines for TR1 to TR4, is that the rule is
you can only allow no more than five baddies in one room including Lara Croft, or the body parts of the baddies start disappearing as Lara rotates her view of the room. So it is imperative in the game design to limit the number of baddies, so you do not end up with loads of baddies in one room, either by kill trigger or zone-ing the baddies so they are stuck to one specific area.

Thanks for explaining it

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Originally Posted by The Great Chi

It is not the first time, instead of killing the baddies, say due to lack of ammo, I have instead rushed through an area and the baddies stop chasing Lara after a while, as you move into a new area.

I remember a situation when I was playing Coastal Village last year. I reached the village, activated all of the villagers I could and deliberately didn't kill them. I wanted to gather them all in one place. I thought that all of them would chase me, but this wasn't true. When I entered the area with the treehouse, the enemies from the village returned to it and didn't join the ones from the treehouse area. I was surprised by this, but now I know why it works this way

Are there other places in Tomb Raider III with the "kill all trigger"?

**TombHackR** · 27-09-20, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mek

Why was the "kill all trigger" introduced? It feels so strange for a game engine to kill enemies when they are not defeated. Is it done for performance reasons? Is there a limit in the engine on the count of alive enemies?

It’s for performance reasons, especially for the PlayStation version. What’s the point in keeping the enemies alive when Lara can no longer access them after sliding down the slope ?

TR2 had a similar trigger that would clear up all the dead bodies on the floor to reduce polygon count.

25-09-20, 21:31	#1
Guillaume coco Student Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: France est Posts: 205	kill all trigger in puna temple hello i want share with you my video on a kill all trigger/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOWnkbh4vt4 i don"t know if the kill all trigger exist in tr1 and TR2 __________________ bugs are like pokemons for me. Last edited by Guillaume coco; 25-09-20 at 21:32.

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The Great Chi The Inscrutable One Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Beyond the Floating Islands Posts: 9,513	One of the problems with the limitations of the game engines for TR1 to TR4, is that the rule is you can only allow no more than five baddies in one room including Lara Croft, or the body parts of the baddies start disappearing as Lara rotates her view of the room. So it is imperative in the game design to limit the number of baddies, so you do not end up with loads of baddies in one room, either by kill trigger or zone-ing the baddies so they are stuck to one specific area. It is not the first time, instead of killing the baddies, say due to lack of ammo, I have instead rushed through an area and the baddies stop chasing Lara after a while, as you move into a new area. Note that five baddy limit does not seem to apply to some New generation TR4 custom games as I have seen a higher limit of baddies in one room and it works OK, not sure how many though to reach a limit. __________________ Humble words by The Great Chi Last edited by The Great Chi; 26-09-20 at 14:22.

26-09-20, 03:49	#2
SrDanielPonces Relic Hunter Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,508	im sure there is

26-09-20, 06:41	#3
Woops Archaeologist Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Uranus Posts: 1,142	No, it was introduced in TR3

26-09-20, 07:59	#4
Mek Historian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland, Warsaw Posts: 300	I was confused when I discovered the trigger. I did it by hearing the death sound of the enemies when sliding to the boss in Temple of Puna (I heard the sound on PC. It doesn't appear on all PC Tomb Raider III versions). Why was the "kill all trigger" introduced? It feels so strange for a game engine to kill enemies when they are not defeated. Is it done for performance reasons? Is there a limit in the engine on the count of alive enemies?

26-09-20, 21:46	#7
Ringtir Hobbyist Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 15	Is really strange how that "works". But something like that happens on Barkhang, if all the monks survives and some goons appear there will be some dissapearings. Maybe the Core staff realized this issue and fix it with the room limit. If i remember correctly, on TR3 the maximum amount of enemies you encounter are the 8(?) Compsognathus.