Trilogy Legend better in 480p!!!

radewagon · 25-03-11, 03:26

This may sound strange.

While playing Legend, I noticed that there was a strange imperfection in the visual quality that seemed oddly reminiscent of early PS3 Backwards Compatibility scaling. It's an odd step ladder type pattern that shows up in the image.

Example of PS3 PS2 BC problem from youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs

Example of TR Trio Legend in 720p: link
Notice the hair line. There are large sequential steps a bit too large to just be regular aliasing.

Also, notice that the eye (look around the eyelashes) is also effected by this step pattern. link

Thinking that forcing 1080p would help, I unchecked 720p in the XMB. Instead of using 1080p like some games, TR Trio just defaults to 480p. However, in 480p, the visual bug disappears.

This is 480p's hairline (link). There are still steps, but they appear to be regular aliasing steps and not nearly as distracting as the ones in 720p.

Also, here is the eye in 480p (link). Again, no annoying steps.

I'm not really sure what's going on in these pictures, but it seems like it's probably a patchable bug. I'd like to know if anyone else notices this or can replicate it on their systems as well. For now, I'm pretty certain that my eyes AREN'T playing tricks on me. Lastly, the problem does not show up in Anniversary or Underworld. It is only a Legend issue.

Anyone know who to contact about fixing this? Or anyone here know someone who contributes to Kotaku to give them a heads up? Be nice if this was patched as this is probably one of the reasons people are saying that Legend is the least attractive of the bunch. It's obviously the oldest title, but this graphics bug isn't helping the situation.

EDIT: I have sent a, hopefully, friendly worded email to the good people at buzzmonkey about this and am awaiting a response.

mudkip25 · 25-03-11, 03:32

edit: Did you set your PS3 so that it can work with an HD TV?

radewagon · 25-03-11, 03:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudkip25

edit: Did you set your PS3 so that it can work with an HD TV?

Yeah, I'm using a 1080p 60hz HD set with video outputting through HDMI.

ZIP!2009 · 25-03-11, 03:51

Sorry, I dont have any constructive idea's to give you.

But, Welcome to the Forum

-Roli- · 25-03-11, 04:51

I have exactly the same problem, radewagon!

Edit: Do yu have LG television? Or do you use cheap HD cable?

radewagon · 25-03-11, 06:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Roli-

I have exactly the same problem, radewagon!

Edit: Do yu have LG television? Or do you use cheap HD cable?

Honestly, I don't think it's a problem with our TV's. I think it's a problem with the way the game has been coded. I think most people are noticing something being not quite right but are not noticing exactly what's going on. Everyone seems to be saying that Legend looks significantly worse than Anniversary, but the difference in release dates wouldn't account for the gap in quality. This visual bug does account for the perceived drop in visual fidelity.

For the record, I am using a 27in 1080p Sammy with a sony brand HDMI cable.

TippingWater · 25-03-11, 06:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Roli-

I have exactly the same problem, radewagon!

Edit: Do yu have LG television? Or do you use cheap HD cable?

You only need expensive and higher quality cables for distances larger than 2m .

Spong · 25-03-11, 07:19

Anyone thinking of blaming HDMI cables for this, think again.

jaywalker · 25-03-11, 07:45

Yeh the whole `expensive HDMI cables needed` argument is a big con.. Digital is 1 or 0, nothing in between

radewagon · 25-03-11, 08:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spong

Anyone thinking of blaming HDMI cables for this, think again.

Not blaming cables. I'm not sure what to blame. But I'm sure it's not cables or TVs. If it was, then Legend's 480p and Anniversary's 720p wouldn't be free of the bug.

25-03-11, 03:26	#1
radewagon Hobbyist Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 18	Trilogy Legend better in 480p!!! This may sound strange. While playing Legend, I noticed that there was a strange imperfection in the visual quality that seemed oddly reminiscent of early PS3 Backwards Compatibility scaling. It's an odd step ladder type pattern that shows up in the image. Example of PS3 PS2 BC problem from youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs Example of TR Trio Legend in 720p: link Notice the hair line. There are large sequential steps a bit too large to just be regular aliasing. Also, notice that the eye (look around the eyelashes) is also effected by this step pattern. link Thinking that forcing 1080p would help, I unchecked 720p in the XMB. Instead of using 1080p like some games, TR Trio just defaults to 480p. However, in 480p, the visual bug disappears. This is 480p's hairline (link). There are still steps, but they appear to be regular aliasing steps and not nearly as distracting as the ones in 720p. Also, here is the eye in 480p (link). Again, no annoying steps. I'm not really sure what's going on in these pictures, but it seems like it's probably a patchable bug. I'd like to know if anyone else notices this or can replicate it on their systems as well. For now, I'm pretty certain that my eyes AREN'T playing tricks on me. Lastly, the problem does not show up in Anniversary or Underworld. It is only a Legend issue. Anyone know who to contact about fixing this? Or anyone here know someone who contributes to Kotaku to give them a heads up? Be nice if this was patched as this is probably one of the reasons people are saying that Legend is the least attractive of the bunch. It's obviously the oldest title, but this graphics bug isn't helping the situation. EDIT: I have sent a, hopefully, friendly worded email to the good people at buzzmonkey about this and am awaiting a response. Last edited by radewagon; 25-03-11 at 15:42. Reason: New information

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ZIP!2009 Archaeologist Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,675	Sorry, I dont have any constructive idea's to give you. But, Welcome to the Forum __________________ I'M NOTORIOUS.

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-Roli- Relic Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,493	I have exactly the same problem, radewagon! Edit: Do yu have LG television? Or do you use cheap HD cable? Last edited by -Roli-; 25-03-11 at 04:58.

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